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Post by Inicio | 2017-09-29 | 19:47:45

Individual purchase card price

Help: 15
Meteo: 15
Autosail: 20
Waypoint: 20 (?)
Programmation: 25 (?)
Stealth: 30

At this value I have now 2040 credits from barrel cards

How many will be given after finishline?
I will say you...

If you see any wrong price tell me

75 Comments

Post by Inicio | 2017-09-29 | 19:57:35

Edit:

104 cards from barrel and offered credits valid only for this regatta

medium individual card price in random packs: 20.83333

Post by Inicio | 2017-09-29 | 22:32:52

The 2040 credits for unused cards have been returned as 1040 permanent credits given to me after finishing the race.

That's 5,77 random 10 cards packs

51% of original value

Post by lemulot79 | 2017-09-29 | 23:31:18

LOL, you did not think VR would pay you 100%

Post by Inicio | 2017-09-29 | 23:54:32

Leg 1 Sails+foils+winch+polish = moreless 3400 credits (from free bonuses and barrel in vro3 time).

Calculated Free Credits for Leg 2

Start Bonus: moreless as per Leg 1 = 800 credits
Barrel: 5 cards * 4.5 times * 10 days = 2250 returned credits after finished Leg 1

Finish bonus in Starting and Zanzibar Races(+-):
5th : 775 credits
32th: 450 credits
62th: 350 credits
77th: 226 credits

Result:

If I save the cards from the barrel and , it is possible but difficult to finance the improvement of the boat for a regatta of the same level.

Post by zezo | 2017-09-30 | 00:00:16

AS : 17
HL : 14
PR : 14
SM : 4
WF : 18
WP : 18
Total: 85 cards, 850 credits
plus 135 for 247th place

Post by Inicio | 2017-09-30 | 07:40:10

Inicio: 104 unused cards = 1040 credits
zezo: 85 unused cards = 850 credits

Same 10x proportion for all kind of unused cards.

50% of random packs are useless (15 Help, 15 Meteo, 30 Stealth) and will return as 10x.

50% of Waypoint cards will be unused and returned as 10x.

The average value of a WP card is 15 credits (or less).

The average value of random cards is 15.

100% value is the price of a useful card purchased individually.

A random 10 cards pack cost 180 credits for an average value of 150 credits (83.333% value) of useful cards or returned 10x cards.

A random 10 Navigation cards cost 270 credits for an average value of 200 credits (74% value) of useful PR and WP (50% of WP are unused and returned as 10x cards).

If more WP cards are unused, less average value, and even lower relative % value of the 270 Navigation packs.

If you use the same number of WP and PR, the average value is 15,8333. In this case the 180 random pack will have 88 % value. The 270 Navigation pack will have 83.333% value.

(All of this is value relative to the % of useful cards used. In any case it seems more cost-effective to buy the 180 random packs than the 270 navigation packs.)

Do you think these calculations are correct?

Post by Inicio | 2017-09-30 | 09:54:50

Post by meteo79niort | 2017-09-30 | 11:37:58

Sur leur page FB https://www.facebook.com/virtualregatta/

Meteo Niort Virtual Regatta Page Officielle
Voici un retour d'exp�rience sur la course test Zanzib 3 que je suis en train de terminer. C'est un peu long, mais il me semble objectif, sans d�magogie, et j'esp�re qu'il vous aidera � construire la suite.

Bien que tr�s peu int�ressante sur le plan strat�gique, cette course m'a permis de mettre en lumi�re les grosses faiblesses de ce syst�me de cartes. Au total 86 cartes tir�es dont :

- Seulement 18 cartes prog. Pas de quoi �viter de se lever plusieurs fois la nuit, ou aller au travail sereinement. On y perd �norm�ment en confort, et inutile de s'�tendre sur l'�tat de fatigue g�n�r� au bout de quelques jours de courses pour celui qui veut bien figurer. Le r�sultat sera probablement encore moins de courses pour beaucoup de joueurs, et donc moins de chiffre d'affaire g�n�r�.

- 15 cartes WP : En principe ce sont des cartes qu'on utilise pour longer des c�tes pour �viter de s'�chouer. En dehors des c�tes, les WP ont peu d'int�r�t dans la navigation � voile, car il y a un gros risque de se retrouver hors des TWA efficaces et des VMG. En revanche, les WP sont tr�s utiles pour la navigation au moteur 😀

- 16 cartes voiles auto 24h: Pas mal pour un course de 3 jours o� seul le g�nois l�ger a �t� utilis�.

- 26 cartes m�t�o. Totalement inutiles en ce qui me concerne. Je comprends qu'elles puissent �tre utiles � certains, mais d'autres sites sont bien meilleurs pour faire une analyse, et pour les novices m�me Zezo.org offre bien plus de possibilit�s d'analyses, m�me sur 1 smartphone

- 8 cartes Help : Totalement inutiles. Pour les novices, Zezo.org est bien plus efficace.

- 3 modes furtifs : cartes utiles lors de choix strat�giques pour ne pas �tre suivi, mais pas sur cette course

C'est simple, plus vous g�n�rerez d'inconfort, plus les joueurs prendront de la distance. Plus vous ajouterez de difficult�s, moins vous g�n�rerez de l'app�tence.

Je crois que si vous voulez que les joueurs consomment, il va falloir leur donner de la visibilit�, de la ma�trise de leur budget, et du confort. Lorsqu'on s'est fait avoir 1 fois en cliquant sur le pack navigation, on �vite d'y retourner une 2�me fois... Et lorsqu'on se l�ve 2 � 4 fois la nuit, tout simplement parce que les progs sont devenues inaccessibles, naturellement on l�ve le pied. Les jours o� l'on faisait 2 ou 3 courses simultan�es paraissent bien loin derri�re nous, tout simplement par la perte simultan�e de confort et de la ma�trise du budget ...

La possibilit� de choisir l'achat de cartes prog et voiles auto, et de les utiliser � un prix raisonnable, sont certainement les cl�s d'un chiffre d'affaire plus important.

Post by Inicio | 2017-09-30 | 15:16:54

D'accord.
100%!

Post by Peperazzi | 2017-09-30 | 17:51:53

Ce matin pour la Mini j'ai pris le pack navigation " l'avantageux avant course "; je pensais b�tement que j'avais la programmation. Rien du tout, apr�s il faut encore acheter des cartes et pas s�r d'avoir les bonnes.
Sur la 2�me manche de Zanzib', j'ai plac� des WP " offerts " et je les ai modifi�s peu de temps apr�s en toute confiance. Le lendemain matin le bateau n'avait pas chang� de direction !!!
Mon sentiment c'est que la version pr�c�dente �tait nettement sup�rieure et que ce jeu est devenu une " pompe � fric ".
Ce syst�me de cartes ne me parait pas appropri� � ce jeu.
Je trouve l'analyse de Meteo79niort tr�s d�taill�e et tr�s juste.

Post by meteo79niort | 2017-10-01 | 10:20:00

OK pour le pack navigation, mais pour les 3 packs de hasard, si personne ne leur ach�te, peut-�tre qu'ils reverront leur politique. Ce qui est s�r, c'est que lorsque tu as cliqu� 1 fois, tu n'as pas envie de recommencer :)

Post by etrille17 | 2017-09-30 | 19:04:01

Tr�s bonne analyse de meteo79niort.Tout� fait d'accord.J'ai eu aussi un pb avec les Waypoint.Mon bateau est rest� en rade apres avoir pris la bonne direction.

Post by nostro | 2017-10-01 | 15:53:16

idem avec wp

Post by smaugh | 2017-10-12 | 08:55:08

Hi guys

you were speaking about 10 credits per unused card, but I got 740 credits for 148 cards from barrel, after mini transat???

5 credits per card ?!

+ 226 credits for finishing on 362 place

Was I robbed by VR pirates?

Post by turb | 2017-10-12 | 10:59:34

Hello,

No, the same for me : 5 credits/card (for Mini Transat and VOR).
They should have change the ratio.

Post by Inicio | 2017-10-12 | 13:39:46

In the 4 training regattas with the new system, you were returned 10 credits per unused card, now you only get 5 credits back. That is, less than 25% of the average original price of an individual card, which is 20.83 credits (18 credits if you buy the random packet of 10, or 27 credits if you buy the random navigation package).

It's a bit, or rather, 75% lie, VR claim that they are repurchased unused cards ...
If you add that 80% of the cards that you give, or that you buy, are useless, this system generates enough frustration in the customer.

Because Help, Meteo, 80% of Autosail, 90% of Waypoints, and 99% of Stealth Mode are useless ...

The 100% useful cards are those of Programming. Or you get them in the Barrel, or individual purchases when they go out, to 25 credits, or purchases in random packages.

Result: from this utility estimation, if we consider that the 100% usefulness per cost is the nominal price of the cards:

1. The actual profit of a random pack of 10 cards is 51.66 credits, 28.7% of its price. What you do not use is returned to 25% of its nominal value.

2. The usefulness of a Navigation package is 135 credits, 50% of its price (I do not think it's casual that exact 50%). And that's assuming that you use both all the Programmation cards you were looking for and that estimated 10% useful Waypoints that you buy in each package. What you do not use will be returned to 22% of its nominal value.

Post by freudenoli | 2017-10-12 | 20:43:27

I agree with most of your assessment, but why do you think meteo is useless...do you always just copy paste the zezo route without looking at the VR weather at all?
I usually use most of my meteo cards...

Post by zezo | 2017-10-12 | 22:27:14

You can just look at the weather in another place. Yes, they have made it slightly different than official NOAA data, but the general picture is the same.

You can also see the wind direction 24 ahead with the in-game projected track at fixed twa - and that's what matters, not the pretty flowing winds (which are borrowed from https://www.windy.com/)

Post by Inicio | 2017-10-12 | 14:13:13

If you want, copy and paste and complete the ranking:

Credits awarded by Finish bonus:
____________________
Level 6 Regattas:

_________
Start race:

--- 5th - 775 credits

__________
Zanzibar:

-- 77th - 226 credits

__________
VOR Prologue:

-- 43th - 294 credits
- 134th - 174 credits

____________________
Level 5 Regattas:

__________
Mini Transat:

-- 80th - 445 credits
- 290th - 250 credits
- 362th - 226 credits

__________
Clipper Leg 2:

- 156th - 330 credits

Post by WaterHammer | 2017-10-13 | 16:43:42

Anyone agree with me that it is very annoying that if you want to program several points during the night that each successive PR point cost you more and more cards? 1 card for the first point, two cards for the second point, 3 for the third point. Hence the PR programming of 4 points costed me 10 PR cards. Is this a bug? Or another trick?

Post by karriv | 2017-10-13 | 17:06:44

I think that is the single most annoying "improvement" VR has come up with. Everything else I can live with, but that's something that might be a showstopper for me.

Post by zezo | 2017-10-13 | 18:13:17

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-10-13 | 20:06:31

Agree and personnaly I don't see the value to have this rule, unless they wanted the players to connect more often, which would be useful for them if there were some advertisement or they want to maximize the number of connections. But, no ad (a significant improvement !!!!) and I don't really see which benefit they have to have more conection).

Post by zezo | 2017-10-13 | 20:10:02

Programming (or the lack thereof) the sole purpose to spend $5 more during the race.

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-10-13 | 20:25:42

Yes but they could have decided to charge more credit per programing cards. Why put a system that would favor the people that can connect very often? The people who will have to pay a lot are the ones who work during the day and do not want to wake up during the night and the people who travel...

Post by zezo | 2017-10-13 | 22:59:02

Because the growth is exponential this way.

They have actually reduced the basic price of the pro package - in the previous editions of similar races it was 10 EUR/leg, and there were attempts to charge 20 for 5-day races like Fastnet.

So they expect to get back at least 5 more EUR from every paying customer during the leg.

But that's actually none of my business. My business is reverse engineering the game and providing information, support and a forum to the players ;-)

Post by mjstevens | 2017-10-23 | 02:46:54

agreed.

Post by Inicio | 2017-10-15 | 22:54:19

Change

VR: "The amount per card can vary from one race to the next."

https://virtualregatta.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001511314-What-happens-to-the-cards-I-don-t-use-

Post by JohnT | 2017-10-16 | 03:24:36

The thing I hate most about the new version is that VR tries to control when I should log in. In the old version, as long as I logged in at least once per day, I could race. Sometimes logging in more frequently would improve my tactical results, but it was my choice.
Now unless I find a way to get a large quantity of programming cards, I have to plan to log in for each course change.
And I cannot buy a specific number of programming cards. Whichever way I try to get them, I will get lots of cards I don't want, and unless I buy them, I may not get any!

To get the most cards from the barrel I need to log in every 5 or 7 hours; times that are completely independent of what is happening in the race...

What is the logic of making it easy to use autosails, but hard/expensive to program course changes to make use of that? I know that if I set up 24hrs of course changes and make no changes, I will lose out to someone who updates their plan with each weather forecast, but I am unlikely to have set myself to sail in completely the wrong direction for several hours because I couldn't program a course change or get online at the right time.

And as many of you have said, I have no use for the Help or Stealth cards, and almost no use for the waypoint or weather cards.

So preference 1 is for an option to buy the right to unlimited 24hr programming (same as the previous version); next would be 1 card per course change independent of how many you program at one time; and the ability to buy just programming cards...

What is the best way to share this input with VR?
John

Post by karriv | 2017-10-16 | 09:32:54

"So preference 1 is for an option to buy the right to unlimited 24hr programming (same as the previous version); next would be 1 card per course change independent of how many you program at one time; and the ability to buy just programming cards..."

Amen to that!

Post by karriv | 2017-10-16 | 22:08:19

I'm not 100 % sure but it seems like if you pay for the options with a credit card, the connection is not secure. At least Chrome complained something in that direction. So I used PayPal.

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-10-18 | 22:53:12

I found this 'official' answer on the VR facebook page regarding the new cards system.
'Actually, the card system we put in place with the new version is friendlier towards non-paying players, and this is how we wanted it to be. Think of how it used to be before the update: you had to pay in order to access all the options you can now access for free with cards.

Now you have access to these options thanks to cards. These cards can be obtained randomly, or purchased with credits, but these credits don't have to be purchased: you receive some when you start a race, but also when you cross the finish line. The game also redeems unused cards, which gives you even more credits.

Planning your strategy and the time when you use certain cards can help you save them for the most critical moments, and also save credits'

Post by SnowPetrel | 2017-10-19 | 03:47:08

Bait & switch to create habit. At first plentiful, useful, and cheap (good resale value). Then scarce, costly to use, diminished resale. All this happened between Mini Transat and VOR Prologue. (See JohnT, above.) All that aside, it is a game, and if playing for a couple of weeks with all these friends costs as much as a decent Latte, I'm not complaining. VR, the pusherman, just needs to keep this economy reasonable.

Post by karriv | 2017-10-19 | 08:37:29

I mostly agree. The problem I see is that this is becoming much more pay-to-win, the one who is prepared to pay more (or the stamina not to sleep and now work to hinder hobbies) has better chances of winning. I think that is very bad development from the perspective of the more competitive players.

Post by zezo | 2017-10-19 | 15:16:48

Now the barrel servers 3 visible cards or 4 secret every 8 hours (in the Mini).

Post by SailorSam | 2017-10-19 | 18:24:32

I just bought 2 x 10 navigation packs - 540 credits. I got 17 waypoints and 3 programming cards. So if i put in 2 course changes I use up all my programming cards - 270 credits per course change. How does this even make sense?????? What sailor goes to sea with a lucky dip nav system?

Post by enol74 | 2017-10-19 | 19:19:07

I have the same experience from the first leg. Many waypoints and very few programming cards bought by random system. I'm not NMS, I think 5� per leg is still a reasonable price, but this is humiliating and it completely destroys the game and our nerves (especially in combination with '1+2+3=6 cards needed for pre-programmed 3-course change system'). As for me, I'll try to avoid random cards and get and save (from a barrel or by 15 credits buying) the specific cards only. But now I'm not sure if that 15 credit cards really changes after specific time period (I've already bought 1 autosail and now I'm waiting for the following stupid Help card to disappear :-).

Post by zezo | 2017-10-19 | 19:34:08

They do change, but the price depends on the card. Navigation aids are more expensive. And random card once 3 times/day won't cut it - you'll get a programmer every other day on average. With the barrel serving 9/12 cards/day now it's about two programmers on average. But then you have to keep your schedule up not only to the forecast change which happens every 6 hours but also with the barrel. Which sucks.

Post by enol74 | 2017-10-19 | 20:38:52

Thanks. Maybe we also can use the time between legs, with early registration for next leg we can collect useful cards in advance. Yes, the credits will be +/- the same, but we will have prepared that cards we really want at least for critical situations and course changes during the night (and not hundreds of unuseful cards like help, waypoints and stealth, purchased back for ridiculous price). Of course being online 'all the day' is still the goal a lot of people cannot faith with :-(.

Post by karriv | 2017-10-20 | 09:04:56

I don't think you get the barrels before start.

Post by enol74 | 2017-10-20 | 10:22:03

Not barrel, but single random cards. But the true is, that it still doesn't solve the problem, need of really a lot of programming cards from time to time :-(.

Post by SailorSam | 2017-10-20 | 17:12:00

The reply to my post above. At least they replied.

Jessica (Virtual Regatta Offshore)
Oct 20, 15:59 CEST

Hello,

Thank you for your message.

With a bit of practice you can achieve similar results using way points instead of programming cards. Unfortunately, you can't use the way points and programming at the same time, but many players find way points can be much more accurate.

We appreciate your feedback in regards to this and hope you'll continue to enjoy the game.

If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact us again.

Best regards,

Post by zezo | 2017-10-20 | 20:02:07

In their typical style ... someone should make them sail optimum TWA for 12 hours with "a little bit of practice"

Post by zezo | 2017-10-21 | 10:20:22

Also, one waypoint is useless by itself most of the time. You need at least two to make a turn. That means at least three cards. And the grounding indicator does not work with waypoints.

Post by Supannee | 2017-10-20 | 20:32:49

La carte "voiles auto" n'est valable que 12h maintenant ?

Post by Alexandria | 2017-10-20 | 20:38:57

Oui, seulement 12 heures. :/

Post by karriv | 2017-10-23 | 14:30:14

So I'll need to be away for three hours due to work commitments. Cost: 10 programmation cards...

This is just f***ing ridiculous....

Post by zezo | 2017-10-23 | 14:37:10

Yes, and with the random nature of the nav packs you may have to purchase 3 of them, worth about 5 EUR in real money.

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-10-23 | 19:21:46

This is what I had to do today, meetings all afternoon, so decided to leave my boat a little bit more before gibbing, result = lost 50 places.
I wonder what the people are going to do tonight, or you stay awake all night or you put programs and it will be at least 30 cards.

Post by zezo | 2017-10-23 | 19:54:51

I spent all day online and you are still in front of me ;-)

Post by Journeyman27 | 2017-10-23 | 14:39:40

This card system is rubbish. Have loads of help cards (sends you in teh wrong direction), loads of stealth cards (why bother) but no auto sails. None in teh barrels, none when you purchase cards... And dont get me started on the programmation cards!

Beginning to feel this game is complete b*****ks...

Post by pmangino | 2017-10-23 | 17:34:21

Post by Saileellely | 2017-10-23 | 20:15:58

Man, what is everybody complaining about! They want a "make me win automatically and make me a millionaire for free" button?

I have sailed a real boat 20 years ago. I have played this game 6 years ago. I refuse to spend money on it and I accept that my boat may be a little slower. During races earlier this month I gathered some credits by cashing in unused cards, with which I managed to purchase foils and some sails. I don't have the code 0 currently.

I have a full time job, and I can check my boat during smoking breaks. And I manage to plan my course such that I can have my time off the game. And I accept therefore that the course is not ideal. I have not yet found use for any of the cards during this leg.

Currently I am within the top 10%. I can see by their ranking that some of the sailors around my boat must have multiple races of experience. I am not sure if it is for real, but the game indicates that the real boats are right on my port side.

I think that if I can do it, somebody who takes it seriously can also do it.

Post by zezo | 2017-10-23 | 20:20:41

Top 10% is easy. Top 10 not so much.

Post by Saileellely | 2017-10-23 | 20:26:03

Thanks for the compliment. Top 5% at this moment. I still think I am doing well.

Post by zezo | 2017-10-23 | 20:30:05

Everyone sets his own goals. If your goal is beating your fishing buddy who also has relaxed playing style - that's fine.

Post by Saileellely | 2017-10-23 | 20:42:15

Would you consider automatic sails because you refuse to check the setting your self "sailing"? or even "playing"? Would you consider copying the best course from this website to your boat playing?

Post by zezo | 2017-10-23 | 20:58:45

I'd consider auto sails because the sail change may occur at 4AM and I have to get some sleep.

There are quite a few players on this forum aiming for the top spots and they have slightly different goal than you.

If you don't like the site I'd happily blacklist you so you are never tempted to just copy and paste the heading from here.

Post by Saileellely | 2017-10-23 | 21:08:59

??? What is this about?

Post by karriv | 2017-10-23 | 21:13:29

To me it seems like your tone isn't one of the most respectful ones. Could be just me tho.

Post by Saileellely | 2017-10-23 | 22:17:24

In that case, I do think I might have a different moral compass. I am just quoting from other posts on this forum:

"This card system is rubbish."

"Beginning to feel this game is complete b*****ks..."

"This is just f***ing ridiculous...."

"How does this even make sense??????"

And that is only in this thread.

But maybe we got off on the wrong foot. Or rather sail. So let me please introduce myself.

I am really enjoying the game. I like to figure out the best way to sail around. I try to find the fastest ways with the means that I have. Every now and then I realise I took a wrong tack (or currently gybe). Then I make some and guestimates on how to correct it. And yes, I do some evaluations on my purchases, what I need and don't need during a leg. That may include playing a card that I own to get away from the screen. I don't think I am any different from anybody else in that respect.

What I was saying in my first post, is that I do not expect, with the constraints that I myself put to me playing the game, to expect a golden card or button that makes my sailing flawless and perfect, without paying for it. Physically or any other way. There was a post of a sailor that just refused to check any of his sails. Ever. He wanted the auto-sails card for the duration of the leg, not just 12h. And he wanted it for free.

Hopefully we can all keep enjoying the game. I downloaded the excel sheet with sail data from this website and I modified it to find the optimum upwind and downwind speeds for the sails that I have purchased. I have all except code 0. I am using it regularly to estimate what way to go. Thanks for the sheet. Anybody interested?

Kind Regards

Post by zezo | 2017-10-23 | 22:27:40

The complaints are not about the price per se. They are mostly about the random nature of the cards. You can spend 50 EUR on cards and don't get the single heading programmer that you need. And this is complete bullshit. We are not playing blackjack, we are playing a sailing game, as VR likes to put it "the most realistic blah blah ..."

Post by Journeyman27 | 2017-10-23 | 23:39:25

Am I the person you are saying this about - "There was a post of a sailor that just refused to check any of his sails"?

If so, I m not refusing to check any of my sails. As Zezo says, it is the randomness of cards. From the free cards from the barrel and cards that I purchased using credits, I have 20 help cards - their routing is rubbish; 15 stealth cards - why would I bother; 18 weather cards - which may or may not be useful.

I have received 3 auto sail cardssince the start, a few programmation and a few waypoints.

Like many people playing I work (my own business), I have a family, I have hobbies outside of this game including sailing (and it has been my job in the past in one way or another and maybe will be again).

What I object to is the randomness of cards so it ends up not being a level playing field. If I compete, I like to do my best and do well. I have done the VORG quite a few times but not many races. How can you aim to be in the top of the fleet if you do not have the tools to be competetive; cards that allow you to sleep and work. In the real world, if you have old worn out sails, you cannot expect to be at the front of the fleet if everyone else has good sails.

May I respectfully suggest that it might be worth considering how your comments could be interpreted, especially if you want to directly quote me.

Post by Alexandria | 2017-10-24 | 00:49:41

I dare say the cards are not randomly distributed. If they were, one would eventually get the necessary programmers.

I feel like being in a slightly *worsened* version of the 2011-2012 edition of the VVOR...

Post by Inicio | 2017-10-25 | 00:57:41

The individual card changes now every 10 minutes.
It seems a way to respond to critics and soften the tension. But by the way, you have to connect very often ...And the Programmigs and Autosails appear more frequently ... or I have been very lucky several times in a row!

Post by Swedesailor | 2017-10-27 | 05:07:37

This card lottery is a joke if u ask me, i am just spending another sleepless night behind the screen here in southern sweden because of ZERO bloody programming cards and 109 at the moment wp cards that i certenly do not want !

VR plz take the time to listen to what almost every sailor has to say and give us something thats better than this !

Post by YourMomSA | 2017-10-27 | 22:20:20

I received 300 credits for my cards at the finish. I'm pretty sure I had more than 30 cards left, though. Of course, now that they've been cashed in, I can't check. Can someone please count their cards before finishing, and see how many credits are being granted per card now? I think it was 10 and it dropped (probably to 5).

(Also, I only got 352 credits for finishing 29th in a VOR leg... So it seems the free credits are diminishing everywhere)

Post by zezo | 2017-10-27 | 22:28:44

In the last race I finished the buy-back price was 5 credits/card.

157 credits for 151th place.

Post by Lazy_Hikers_Finland | 2017-10-27 | 22:50:09

Ha haa, fair game, 160 credits for 167th place. But I have not pissed them off. The less you comment, the more credit you get.

Post by zezo | 2017-10-27 | 22:53:50

Where is the Like button in this damn forum?

Post by marcusbelgicus | 2017-10-28 | 15:39:01

Hi Mom, this is 5 credits now for each card. And got 714 credits for my 6th place, which seems to be equivalent to the zanzib race (This leg was only quoted as VSR6, same as zanzib).

Post by hardy2 | 2017-10-28 | 20:26:44

Bonjour j'ai finit et la clipper et la volvo. Cela coute tr�s cher. C'est finit pour moi. J'invite tout le monde a se d�sint�resser de Virtual .

Post by Toppen | 2017-10-28 | 21:23:23

I wrote this on the Club House forum the 5th of October... just sayin'...

On 2017-10-05 at 9:45 PM, Toppen said:
First of all, the whole card thing is ridiculous. Second, VR now realizes that we don't use (or buy them for that sake) enough cards and we save too many. They will soon start to pay less refund, raise the price for foils, light wind sails etc. The free credits we get when we sign up for a race will disappear eventually. I predicted earlier that they will make less money with this new strategy and i think that's what we start to see now.

- regular AO people stop playing this game regularly (like myself)

- we save cards to finance the next race

- we buy less (sails etc) than before (SO is more fun now than before)

- "the best" win credits when they perform well

In my opinion with the new business model VR will make less money and either they return to the old BM or they will continue to raise prices, pay less refund for unused cards and increase barrel time to 10 hours etc. Every change from what we have right now will make the community "pissed off".

But... I can also be completely wrong...

// Toppen

Post by zezo | 2017-10-28 | 21:35:44

d�j� vu

Post by Inicio | 2017-11-09 | 10:07:46

My experience about credits and cards.

I finish all regattas with many Programmations and Autosails unused. This will also be the case with the Mini and the Clipper.
And at the moment I have enough Programmations and Autosails in the VOR and in the TJV.

The Barrel gives enough cards for my saving navigation. Only at the beginning of the regatta do I need to get some Autosails and Programmations in case I need them soon.

But there are two points that I consider very convenient:

1. Eliminate the double cost of the First Programmation.

2. Organize the purchase of Programmations and Autosails so that it is possible to acquire them at the moment when you can be in front of your computer.